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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

How dare you! Trust the experts! Follow the science!

Climate fearmongering was just like COVID. Build scary models on fake assumptions, censor anyone who disagrees, and profit on expensive ineffective solutions. Bill Gates has caused so much damage. ESG was always a fraud.

Meanwhile, his ex-wife is in a spite-spending competition with Mackenzie Bezos and Laurene Jobs to destroy civilization: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/laurene-powell-jobs-awfl-philanthropy

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

I can’t figure Melissa (?) Gates out… she seems a bit lost between wanting to do good perhaps just to alleviate her “ I am beyond fucking rich” guilt and striving to prove to herself that she is of societal value… or does her massive divorce settlement wealth hinge on not exposing her ex husbands penchant for helping himself to nubile girls on Epstein Island? And why the sudden almost 180 pivot? I want them all to go away. They have all had far too much influence in our every day lives and their sincerity and motivation are increasingly suspect. There’s a lot of disguised panic developing.

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A.'s avatar
Oct 30Edited

"Controligarchs" by Seamus Bruner is good for filling in the details of this psychopathic crew.

Not the Gates' divorce settlement per se....but a lot of useful material

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Thanks!

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Harry Potter's avatar

“Controligarchs”. Perfect.

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Kelly Green's avatar

There's a quick way to show that every climate model is wrong.

I can't say how wrong, as only the future will determine that.

But every climate model in history assumes cloud coverage ("albedo") is 26% on average across the globe, now and in perpetuity. Cloud coverage is important because it reflects sunlight back out of the atmosphere before it has an effect.

Something as simple as global warming by 3 degrees causing that number to go to 29% would offset ALL of the effects of CO2. If warmer oceans create more clouds, by that slight amount, the whole thing is erased mathematically, just as we see global cooling events when major volcanic eruptions spew dust across large areas, reflecting the sunlight. And no one knows whether or not that will happen, just like they generally know little about the future. But we can say the models are wrong, because 26% can't hold forever - it could go down, too.

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Kurt Taylor's avatar

The historical climate data shatters every climate catastrophe myth. Every historian recognizes the Medieval Warm Period as the period that saw the growth and prosperity of Europe and the end of the so-called "Dark Ages". Ah and then there was the Roman Warm Period which again lead to higher crop yields and the expansion of civilization. Oh, lest not forget the Little Ice Age that caused extreme hardship and lasted into the early 19th century when the current warming began. None of this has much if anything to do with CO2 (the gas of life) and pretty much everything to do with solar activity.

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Kelly Green's avatar

In addition, though CO2 levels are a bit higher now, they were as high in history as 400 ppm without a runaway effect taking hold. In fact that stimulated massive plant growth and a reduction in CO2.

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Taras's avatar

“For the Late Triassic and earlier Jurassic (approximately 237-174 million years ago), scientists found zero evidence of polar glacial ice sheets in fossil records — likely a result of carbon dioxide levels that may have reached as high as 6,000 parts per million. During this greenhouse state, dense conifer and deciduous forests covered most of Pangea from the North Pole and the South Pole to the subtropical latitudes.”

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/09/20/you-asked-dinosaurs-survived-when-co2-was-extremely-high-why-cant-humans/

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Maria's avatar

Thank you, and what are the current levels? I think less than 350 parts per million. The whole thing is one more brick in the wall of ensuring the masses stay scared, dumb and inside.

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C.C. 95's avatar

The Percentage of Carbon in our atmosphere in 2024 = .04%. To give you an idea of how LOW that is- if the percentage of Carbon drops to .02% all plantlife on Earth will die. THERE IS NO CARBON PROBLEM

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Kelly Green's avatar

Well, carbon and carbon dioxide are not the same but generally yes.

Interestingly it would be by mass more like 0.017%.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Well hopefully Gates has also abandoned his shooting fairy dust into the sky to obscure the sun….. as the old old margarine commercial goes “ it’s not nice to fool Mother Nature”… or wise…

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Kelly Green's avatar

Oh boy that WAS scary.

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Robert Hunter's avatar

It's called the "global dimming" effect.

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Patrick's avatar

How DARE you! I can't see!

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Brad Beago's avatar

Yes. I met a group of postdocs that were working on the current climate models several years ago. I asked them what there assumptions were for coal and oil use. The answer was linear growth in the use of both through 2100 at the same rate of growth as the past 75 years. Noone in the production of end of these hydrocarbons believes that is even remotely possible given known deposits that exist on the planet.

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Brick's avatar

Outstanding

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Torpedo 8's avatar

After I finished James Gleick's book, Chaos, I realized none of these predictions were accurate. A science that abandoned the 2 week forecast in the '70s (because is was absolutely wrong 99% of the time) is going to tell you what the temperature will be in 2040?

Yeah, no.

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Melissa gates is useless. No one would know who she is if she didn't marry that bug eyed freak and then divorce him because he took one too many lunches on Epstein Island.

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Harland's avatar

Best dog whistle antisemitism on Substack anyone has seen today! Tomorrow is a new day, though.

If Gates is a pedophile why isn't he in prison? *crickets*

Maybe he's secretly a Catholic priest?

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BookWench's avatar

What antisemitism?

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Michael Kelly's avatar

... apparently everything is Anti-Semitism these days. The word used to have meaning; but through overuse, it became so much dust hanging in the air, and now it means nothing.

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BookWench's avatar

It's a lot like "RACISM!"

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Mike Gustine's avatar

lol Money buys a lot of things, to answer your question about why he's not in prison.

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Epstein died of heart disease, prostate cancer and rickets. Truth!

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Breathe kid. Deep breaths.

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Ed's avatar

Its Melinda Gates. At Microsoft, I had the singular horror of working with her for awhile, a visceral experience of the presence of a malevolent force. Perhaps even more so than Bill.

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Jose Weto's avatar

Wow! This is one of the billions of reasons FDR's top marginal tax bracket of 91% was good for American society.

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Indecisive decider's avatar

She's a real c u Next Tuesday

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Harry Potter's avatar

It’s pretty basic really. You start to see a chorus of warnings, MSM, academia, leading Democrats, and your spidey senses should kick in. It’s as old as mankind. You need people to do something, to fall in line, scare them. There is something inherent in people to accept this and follow orders. The Bible covers this well when the people demand to have a king against God’s advice (1 Samuel). God warned them what they would get, their sons would March in front of the king’s chariot, etc. The guys who started our country, the founders, were a different lot, and believed in the power of the individual. Sadly a whole lot of people don’t get it. Or are too weak to stand on their own. And so here we are.

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Dave Slough's avatar

Another Karen

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

well that’s frightening!

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cgg's avatar

I hear you - I can't emphasize GO. AWAY. enough. They are monsters.

I wonder how much his recent distancing from Arabella Advisors is related to this?

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

You speak truth…

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PhilH's avatar

Melissa Gates is both a front and a dupe. Despite the story she was “a low‑level employee who married the prince”, she's actually related to many wealthy and influential families.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Nubile young girls, sounds good , just saying.

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rusty2161984's avatar

I was killed during Y2K when my plane instantly became as aerodynamic as a boulder and fell right out of the sky, as I recall.

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James Nick's avatar

My condolences. ; ) I’m glad your death was not fatal. (I’m thinking about the “she’s a witch” scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.)

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Bill Jarett's avatar

It must have been all the fatal beatings he recieved as a child that prepared him for his recovery from the fatal plane crash. After walking up hill both ways back and forth to school the good occasional fatal beating did me well, helped make me the man I am today.

(Ode to an old Monty Python bit)

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Jose Weto's avatar

You think Rusty had it bad as a kid? I had to wake up 2 hours before I even went to bed, then suck coffee out of a wet rag then go to work in the mines.

(Ode to the same Monty Python bit)

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Jose Weto's avatar

"I'm glad your death was not fatal" may be the funniest line I've read all year.

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James Nick's avatar

Ha! Thanks! I was channeling my inner Woody Allen.

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Jose Weto's avatar

It was a bullseye. I laugh every time I think of the comment.

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Harry Potter's avatar

Thankful for this thread. And glad also to hear your death was not fatal.

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Joni Lang's avatar

😂

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Kelly Green's avatar

That's why climate change is even more scary, because it's unkilling so many. As the greenhouse effect continues to slowly take hold, it's going to open up millions of acres of cropland across Canada and Russia, so we can feed many more people.

In addition to the fact that more people die from cold-related weather events than heat-related ones, so we're saving more of those lives as well. I remember being scared in the movie Halloween when Michael Myers kept going around enabling more lives and keeping people from dying. Horrifying.

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Jose Weto's avatar

If we could only stop the unkilling!!! (Said every Malthusian everywhere) Brilliant word Kelly.

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Mykes's avatar

Unfortunately many environmentalists will not appreciate this fact. They are misanthropic and take glee in humanity's demise.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

Many other places will become deserts. It's a give-and-take. The biggest problem with climate change is that habitated places will become unhabitable, resulting in climate refugees that will further disrupt the international order. We've seen it already. People need to move. But our national borders don't allow for it. No downfall of civilization (and frankly I don't know of anyone who peddled that idea, so this entire idea feels like a straw man), but plenty of disruption.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

The kind of change discussed has been in geologic time, which is ages in human lifetimes. The biggest disruption here is that it is happening so quickly. The earth can handle it, but specific generations of humans cannot.

Edit: indeed, specific generations of many other species of animals and plants also cannot. Evolution needs time to be able to adapt. Mass die-offs and extinctions have happened when the change came too quickly for them to be able to adapt. This ongoing climate change is faster than any of them have been.

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Kelly Green's avatar

Who said it: "The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change"?

Plenty of people have believed that because of the messaging, whatever exactly was being said. Many, including Greta Thunberg, to the detriment of their mental health.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

I remember those days. I remember your plane falling from the sky…..

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Brigattista's avatar

You too? All this time I thought it was just me! Phew!

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A.'s avatar

In the 70s, Acid Rain was going to take out civilization, apparently.

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Matt L.'s avatar

It’s been a $ grift all my life. Earth Day was great, until it wasn’t anymore.

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DMC's avatar

The fact that the founder murdered his gf and was a fugitive from justice probably should have been a hi t

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MarciaT's avatar

Who was the founder? Of?

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RRDRRD's avatar

"THE" founder is probably an overstatement but look up Ira Einhorn.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Yes. Where did acid rain go?

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Ken Baker's avatar

and the killer bees...

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Murder hornets and Atmospheric rivers.

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BookWench's avatar

And what about the "Coming Mini Ice Age" of the 1970's?

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Tardigrade's avatar

I was there, I remember. Acid rain was actually a thing and steps were taken to mitigate it.

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Sam Horton's avatar

Yeah stack scrubbers. Oddly we had those for coal fired power plants too but destroyed the industry instead of deploying them. America stopped solving problems for real by the 90s Turned into liars winning elections.

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Patrick's avatar

Power grabs?! Say it ain't so!

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DMC's avatar

thats the point. Problem identified, solved by human ingenuity (OK and shipping the pollution to China,) but not WE ARE DOOMED!

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

Shipping the pollution to China is not a long-term solution, and demonstrates the problem with expecting this government and these capitalists to solve it for us. All short-term, and nation-limited. The US has been very successful at shipping its problems overseas.

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Sam Horton's avatar

Coming ice age. Even Spock said so! I was astounded when the opposite BS worked. Turns out two generations are stupid or liars.

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A.'s avatar

See how easy it can be to brainwash a herd, if you approach it a certain way? And you have some authority?

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Harland's avatar

This comment thread is just full of antisemites.

Mr. Spock is a *fictional* character. Leonard Nimoy is the actor. Go ahead, say his nose is a prosthesis he only used because he portrayed an alien, like his pointy ears.

But you people aren't known for being able to distinguish fake from real.

Tell us you watch Tucker Qatarlson without telling us.

He actually repeated the "dancing Israelis" right-wing nutbag conspiracy theory. For real.

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Sam Horton's avatar

We need a one-click mute button.

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Nobody's avatar

Is he trolling or for real?

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Brigattista's avatar

Ozone Action! I got lots of junk mail from them. And it came through the mail, glossy brochures processed via forest products, delivered through fossil-fuel burning post office trucks.

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A.'s avatar

Ah yes.....the supposed holes in the Ozone Layer....I remember it well!

For about 50 years, they produced a long list of scams, usually related to the environment.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

Supposed? They were real, and steps were taken to address the issue. The question now, is, are steps being taken to address THIS issue? Doesn't really appear so.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Yes. And then laws were passed to control that form of pollution. You are condemning the cure.

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Patrick's avatar

bbbbbbut Springsteen said so!

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Springsteen... Lol, the last good music he made was when answering machines were about to go tapeless.

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A.'s avatar

He was just an influencer.

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Kelly Green's avatar

Matt's phrasing "Denial of climate *emergency* was even listed in Twitter’s Files" is inaccurate because it was denial of climate *change*, a different thing, as the words in the image Matt provides show.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

Thank you. That's the problem with this whole piece.

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Gary S.'s avatar

Thx for the link! I'd forgotten the ice-age scare until fairly recently.

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Evelyn's avatar

Right? I talk to my 17 year old daughter about that!

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Dave Slough's avatar

And all that acid rain and the depletion of our ozone layer

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Matt Bult's avatar

Also just like COVID is the climate economy, I would love to know how much money has been spent (and lost) on climate hysteria (I've seen 40 to 100 billion PER YEAR just for gov R&D). It may even be more lucrative than COVID; it's certainly more durable. And my! The fundraising!

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Tardigrade's avatar

Thanks to Green dogma, Germany is busily destroying its industrial base.

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Mac's avatar

It has destroyed its industrial base.

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Tardigrade's avatar

How about: it is *continuing* to destroy its industrial base.

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michael888's avatar

Destroying Nordstream 2 which Germany accepted without much complaint was a nice stake in the heart of their economy.

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Harland's avatar

That was Russia.

This comment thread is conspiracy theory central.

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Mike Gustine's avatar

Sure, they destroyed their own pipeline. Makes total sense.

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Harland's avatar

It’s what investigators concluded. You don’t remember?

The largest single release of CO2 ever and it’s exactly the kind of thing Russians do.

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A.'s avatar

Canada beat them to it.

Do you see how very useful these scare-scams can be, for the powerful types who wish to change entire industries to suit themselves? I suspect there is another u-turn in the offing, or Billy Gates would not be dumping the Climate Change script.

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A.'s avatar

Reminds me of former PM Pierre Troodo of Canada. His father made the family fortune on petroleum products (owned a string of urban gas stations). Then Pierre grew up, became a Communist, and saw better possibilities for himself. When he took office as PM in 1968, he set out to destroy the oil & gas industry in Canada, along with his pal Maurice Strong (another oilman). It had served its purpose for them, and for their new plans it was a liability. So they trashed oil & gas. They had other plans.

Troodo Jr. as PM was going to make his fortune off Pharmaceutical companies and patents.....therefore it was vital that he pushed COVID-mania when the time came. And enforced jabs.

So now what is the next scam on the public that will build the fortunes of these Globalist Psychopaths?

AI centres?

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Harland's avatar

Trump did that with his 15% tariffs on an important ally.

He also came up with the genius plan that Germany should build an army again.

Hey everyone, remember this sound?

*TRAMP *TRAMP* *TRAMP *TRAMP*

Talk about a bargain for the money Putin spent, best deal in the history of good deals.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Good name for a band “ green dogma”

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Jose Weto's avatar

It has to be trillions of dollars. Look at the WEF, trying to create a world government where they fly in jets eating steak while you chew bugs in your 15 minute city. There's a lot of money in this grift.

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Michael Kelly's avatar

You forgot the best part: "you will own nothing and be happy."

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A.'s avatar

Speaking of which, courts in the province of British Columbia, Canada have recently ruled that Native land claims supersede the private property rights of everyone else.

If a Native Band says you are on their ancestral land, they can expropriate. Which of course is just another WEF ploy to destroy private ownership while making it look as if it is being done for a virtuous reason.

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Cecilia Buschmeier's avatar

Canada’s lost

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P.S.'s avatar

Don't you mean "Stolen"?

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Matt Bult's avatar

There, you fixed it.

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Turd_Ferguson's avatar

They've always known it was the sun. The reason they had "Spokespersons" talking about it should have been all we needed to know. Bill is both right and wrong. We'll survive the cataclysm coming, but not very many of us. It's why our DNA pool is so shallow as they think humans were down to a couple hundred thousand 12,000 years ago. It's about to happen again.

This time it won't matter when the poles actually meet in the Indian Ocean in the next 25 years, and the wobble occurs, because the sun will have belched a Carrington Flare that will have already wiped out most of civilization as when the power goes out... it's all done!

I do find it highly ironic of Bill has this stance now that they need POWER for their AI datacenters that are going to kill every last job on planet earth.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Being unfamiliar with this Indian Ocean poles-meeting prediction, I poked around some. Previously, I was very familiar with magnetic field reversals, which happen on the order of every 200,000–300,000 years. I'm not sure to which thing you refer, the Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) or the magnetic field reversal.

"The IOD is primarily a meteorological event influenced by oceanic conditions, whereas magnetic field reversals are geological phenomena related to the Earth’s core dynamics. There is currently no established direct link between the two." (AI)

Also, not sure if the wobble you mention is a metaphorical civilizational wobble or a physical wobble the Earth will undergo, but you're right that a big solar flare will have a big impact on the planet. There's a good short story about that by Larry Niven, "Inconstant Moon".

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Turd_Ferguson's avatar

Good place to start. This article talks about laschamp 1 about 41,000-42,000 years ago Laschamp 2 was ~36,000 years ago (or I might be backwards and it was 48,000), You have Gothenburg, Noah... these excursions.. they are not flips happen every 6,000 years. If you look, geomagnetic north is currently RACING towards Siberia, and the south is moving to meet it. These events also correspond to massive climate changes that happen in decades not centuries.

More and more proof is being uncovered every day, and there is paper on paper out there about this in the review process.

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/when-the-earth-s-magnetic-field-flipped

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Turd_Ferguson's avatar

Look up the growing South Atlantic Anomaly. It is also related to this, and why Aurora's are being seen in southern states and even the Carribean. Our field is weakening HARD, and it's all happened before.

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Marie's avatar

Either way, neither has a thing to do with carbon dioxide.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

I love how this community pretends to do reasonable, thorough research.

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Tardigrade's avatar

I fail to see how "poked around some" is a claim of being thorough.

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Harland's avatar

The deranged right-wing conspiracy theories are actually getting entertaining now!

You forgot to blame DA JOOOOOOZ though!

Do better.

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Turd_Ferguson's avatar

Da Joooz is the left fantasy. I could care less about left or right. If you don't know science. don't comment.

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BookWench's avatar

You seem to be the only person in this comment thread referencing Jews.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

Not true, it's happened several times.

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BookWench's avatar

Uh huh.

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Patrick's avatar

There's someone you should meet. Karen, longtime legendary commenter. You can compare notes about trolling and being intentionally obtuse.

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Sheila Dean's avatar

While Racket was billing for contra-climate politics, Chuck Grassley sent the B&M Gates Foundation a strongly worded inquiry from the Senate Judiciary Committee bearing down on their contributions to foreign governments as means to revoke their non-profit status.

Here's a segment of that letter.

"According to reports, in 2023, the Gates Foundation “directed roughly $11.7 million into various arms of China’s communist-controlled government, as well as $2 million to a corporation the Department of Defense (DOD) determined works with the Chinese military and an additional $6.7 million to state-run universities that help prop up Chinese President Xi Jinping’s regime.”2 According to reporting, the Gates Foundation labels most of its grants to the Chinese government as “public health initiatives concerning research, global health awareness and sanitation, among other areas.”3 According to the Gates Foundation’s FY 2022 tax filings, the nonprofit provided approximately $23 million in funding to over 20 different Chinese entities, some of which were labeled as “foreign governments.”4 Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) provides tax-exempt status for entities that are organized and operated exclusively for a charitable purpose.5

A 501(c)(3) organization may lose its tax-exempt status for failing to pursue the exempt purpose it described in its application to the Internal Revenue Service

(IRS).6 With regard to activity in foreign countries, IRS guidance states that “direct grants to foreign governments do not serve IRC 501(c)(3) purposes.”7

WHOLE LETTER HERE: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/grassley-probes-gates-foundation-and-others-for-501c3-compliance

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Also, I think the new Bezos wifey is trying to get involved in philanthropic work. Just can’t find the right cause yet….

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Jeff Keener's avatar

Now that she and Gayle King are astronauts, perhaps they can help raise awareness for children who are too poor to become astronauts?

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BookWench's avatar

"I was born a poor black child. . . "

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justamom's avatar

You and Gavin Newsom. Check out Up in Smoke Podcast blowback.

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Jeff Keener's avatar

🤣

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Nowhere Man's avatar

Her cause will be to provide funding for replacing the old poisonous silicone implants in bosoms worldwide for the new safe organic kind.

Which will be made by the Bezos-owned company Whole Boobs™

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Excellent

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

I know her cause...

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

What?

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ktrip's avatar

I heard some commentators say they need to build power plants for their AI server farms so Climate Change is officially "out." Look for nuclear power to be "in" again! It will be sold as clean energy and those paid to harangue us will call off the dogs on nuclear power and we will start hearing how American nuclear plants are not Chernobyl (which is true), no one died at TMI (true), etc.

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Tedder130's avatar

There are truths hidden in your comment. One, global warming caused by anthropogenic climate change is real, as all evidence confirms, and it has already had disastrous effects (less but stronger hurricanes). Two, there are always people who will take advantage of real or imaginary disasters. Naomi Klein wrote a book about this, DISASTER CAPITALISM, which among others documented how individuals profited from Hurricane Katrina, and we all know how some profit off of war. I suspect Bill Gates et al scheming rich people are disaster capitalists. The COVID pandemic itself is another example.

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Turd_Ferguson's avatar

What if... Climate change isn't Anthropogenic, but the FAR more scientific answer... Electromagnetic! CO2 isn't the cause. CO2 is the result. It's all happened before, and the proof is starting to come out in paper after paper. The Chinese are way ahead of us on this and it's causing science to start getting more serious lest they be fully seen as useless followers.

They've found evidence of mass climate shift and major extinction, and the cycle is about 6,000 years, and repeats back as far as the earth allows, and has been going on since the Carrington Even in the 1800's. The Pyramids are FAR older than we've been told, and were once 2/3rds covered in water.

The Noah flood was real, and the Sahara was grasslands. We humans are disgusting, and are about to be put in our place again, but we aren't the cause of the climate. We aren't that good.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

oh...kay...

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Harland's avatar

Blame DA JOOOOOZ everyone!

I cut my foot on a piece of abandoned aluminum foil and Naomi Klein left it lying around, only for me!

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Michael Kelly's avatar

Upon his return to Moscow, Russian General Pyotr Wrangel noted four out of five women of the Romanov Family (Tsar's Family) were wearing red ribbons supporting the Bolsheviks—The Communists who later murdered the Romanovs.

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Vic Adamov's avatar

Thanks great work. Matt, I see the CC ensemble resembling an Institution not unlike say The Catholic Church in relative numbers and reach. Bill Gates has gone treacherous if not blasphemous. But he’s only a bishop in the hierarchy, not even a cardinal not to mention the Pope himself. He does carry considerable weight and unless he recants or somehow walks back his inopportune piece he may get sidelined rather than outright canceled, ‘case you see he’s got the dough. I could name a few of the principal cardinals: John Kerry, Michael Mann, AOC (first woman cardinal), Greta Thunberg. But who would be the Pope? Al Gore or Obama? In my view, if the Pope would turn, the institution would crumble. I don’t see it: way too much has been invested by so many luminaries to just allow a mere bishop, wealthy or not, to cause irreparable damage.

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Torpedo 8's avatar

Liberal white women continue to present the gravest threat to our civilization in a millennia.

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Marie's avatar

It’s worth noting that the first COVID death model that claimed a 3% death rate was created by one of the major climate change modelers.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

“The deep psychological root of leftist activism appears to be an unwillingness to accept reality as it is, a morbid obsession with its defects, and paranoid tendency to exaggerate them.”

Professor Edward Fesser, the post liberal order Substack

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michael888's avatar

Interesting discussion:

youtube.com/watch?v=Zt32chvO_iY

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Christopher Carelock's avatar

Of course, it’s fine. Gates depends on these huge energy sucking data centers to be built, so now it’s all good.

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Tardigrade's avatar

He's just scooting the Overton window over to a position more congenial to his future plans.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Exactly. What fucking “optimism” is Gates even advancing? Just shrugging his shoulders and admitting what was never in doubt: that the human species can survive even as our standard of living is annihilated for everyone’s except those that can afford 365 days of air conditioning?

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Rob2112's avatar

100% brother. Gates is renovating 3 mi island to cool down his nearby data centers. He gets 20 years of power usage out of the reno deal. BTW, if there ever were an escape route out of the climate scare, nuclear power is it. So we’ve got BG to thank for the scare and then the solution.

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Christopher Carelock's avatar

Every stance he’s ever taken has been based purely on self centered economics.

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Claudia's avatar

💯 AI is the pot of gold and all energy sources need to be on the table. That's where the 'never mind' came from. "All aboard!"

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Danno's avatar

Which said AI is being touted in order to short-circuit the dangerous habit of the peasantry doing their own research and arriving at non-approved conclusions . . . such as CO2 is an EFFECT of rising atmospheric temperatures, not a cause, and that in any case, additional CO2 from the activities of humans is practically a rounding error when compared with natural CO2 emissions.

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rob's avatar

Bingo

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rjt's avatar

Are you saying my switch from a gas to battery operated hedge trimmer to fix the "climate crisis" was in vain?

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Yes, you tree murderer

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Matt Bult's avatar

Climate change (CO2), apparently, is good for the trees.

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Ellen Evans's avatar

And other plants, which then emit O2. Up here in Maine, we're not entirely averse to longer growing seasons and less frigid winters. From my reading, the decline in deaths from cold has been far greater than the increase in deaths from heat.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

So let's cut down more trees and turn more rainforests into grasslands, thus cutting into the possibility that they could actually do what you say. Just because more CO2 will make this possible doesn't mean that humans will allow this to happen! This isn't 5000 years ago. Corporations own the planet and they aren't about to let some of it go wild so that more CO2 can magically turn into crops.

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Ellen Evans's avatar

Never said that, not at all. Please don't make jumping to conclusions an Olympic sport at my expense.

Tree lives matter.

Nothing magical in the effect of CO2 on plant life. It's - wait for it - science!

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Ellen Evans's avatar

I never said anything of that kind; don't put words in my mouth. I do think we should protect forests of all kinds. Tree lives matter.

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P.S.'s avatar

LMAO

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

On second thought, I really like my battery equipment. I never could remember to drain the fuel out in the winter

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Bizarro Man's avatar

It doesn't matter. Your insistence on using technology to lighten your tasks has condemned us all to grisly deaths. We just don't know how it will happen yet.

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BookWench's avatar

IT'S ALL GLITTERPUPPY'S FAULT!

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Patrick's avatar

" Another innovation-related death! "

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

My insistence? Hmmm. Ok.

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DMC's avatar

you mean you operate your own machinaery? Isn't that a job Americans wont do??

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

On occasion

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Harvey's avatar

I could never remember to drain the fuel either. This is why I have since always used the ethanol free premixed fuel with stabilizer they sell at Home Depot. Living in the woods a battery powered leaf blower just doesn't cut it.

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Patrick's avatar

Just don't lose your sense of humus

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

Living in the woods, why the fuck do you even need a leaf blower?

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Harvey's avatar

The fuck do you care?

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Kate's avatar

There’s an upside!

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Harland's avatar

Small gas engines emit HUGE amounts of greenhouse gases. They have no emission controls whatsoever. So do fireplaces, which are wildly inefficient methods of home heating, and outdoor charcoal grills. You can drive around a suburban white neighborhood in the summer with a PM25 meter, make a heat map and pinpoint the location of every polluting grill, and there are a LOT of them!

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Damn. You’ve got lots of extra time on your hands. Is it just white neighborhoods? Do you sneak up in the yard with your little meter? Who calibrates your meter? How do you disguise yourself? I have lots of pertinent questions, sorry

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Harland's avatar

Driving around white neighborhoods with PM24 meters is what the EPA did under Hussein Obama.

he was getting near banning the backyard barbecue as a giant "fuck you" to Americans.

That's how we know.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

Oh nice, the standard "you must have a lot of time on your hands" response, when clearly you also have just as much time on your hands. (As do I, clearly)

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Wait, you didn’t write what I was commenting on. Why are you chiming in?

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

True. My comment was based on you roaming around neighborhoods testing the air. I don’t have THAT much time on my hands. But, that’s ok, or else I wouldn’t have anything to comment on.

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Harland's avatar

Hussein Obama was about to ban outdoor charcoal grills and the backyard barbecue. Even if you yo use propane, the cooking meat gives off tons of CO2 and PM25.

I don't know why it got derailed.

In summer there is a measurable increase in particulate emissions from Americans barbecuing, and eliminating the backyard BBQ would have been a classic Obama move, a gigantic "fuck you" to the American people right up there with "you didn't build that" and "bitter clingers.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

Nice story.

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BookWench's avatar

Are you implying that black folks don't barbecue? That Mexicans never smoke meat?

Bwahahahahahahaha!

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Harland's avatar

Disparate impact. If a policy can be shown to have a disparate impact on minorities, then it must not be enforced against them.

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

Ha! I am sure Bill’s hired overly paid people only use battery powered. 😂

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Lightwing's avatar

I doubt they even stoop to manual labor.

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TeeJae's avatar

Not totally. At least you're not polluting the air anymore.

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Patrick's avatar

No gas appliances for you!

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EndOfTheRoad's avatar

I still love my ICE cars and motorcycles, but I'll be damned if I don't really enjoy my battery powered yard implements. My whole life I've hated the noise and mess of gas powered mower, trimmers and every other maintenance tool in the garage. Battery tech has been such an improvement in that area, being able to run a mower or leaf blower without wearing earmuffs to avoid going deaf has been a joy. God bless the wizards at Ryobi, LOL!

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VanishingTribe's avatar

Just throwing this out there: Bill Nye is as far from a "science guy" as you can get. He was a mechanical engineer who got into comedy sketch writing and then -- somehow -- into his TV career. He's been a useful prop for the PTB to try their best to scare children (and gullible adults) into believing "the narrative" of whatever they're currently pushing, be that climate disaster or gender insanity.

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Forheremenaremen's avatar

And don't forget - The 'Science Guy' was also a trusted media expert when it came to Covid too.

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DMC's avatar

lets see if he is on Bill's payroll and turns on a dime on this one

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Tardigrade's avatar

Bill Nye, the Science™ Guy.

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Bill nye, the bootlicking bed wetter. Anther useless skin sack whose 2 minutes of fame wore out 20 years ago.

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Harland's avatar

The antisemitic smears just keep coming.

Did someone drop this link in a Nazi discord chat or something? Where did you all come from?

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Look out!! The joooooooos is behind you. Son, brush off the cheeto crumbs, pull up your pants and go get yourself a job.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Is he Jewish? I had no idea, and it's irrelevant to the discussion.

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TeeJae's avatar

Please don't feed the trolls.

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BookWench's avatar

What are you talking about?

Nobody but you is even mentioning Jews, or "antisemitism."

If any of these people that we're poking fun at "happen to be" Jewish (as George Carlin might have said), I suspect that you are the only one aware of it.

Surely you aren't implying that Jewish people should never be criticized?

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

Or that Jewish people are the only science guys?

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BookWench's avatar

Ha!

Well, if Bill Nye and Bill Gates are Jewish, I never knew it.

Nor do I care. It's irrelevant.

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Bizarro Man's avatar

Rather: Bill Nye "The Science" Guy.

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Deb Hill's avatar

Wait, what? I thought that other guy was "The Science."

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DMC's avatar

its a matching set when you think about it in a really creepy way

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Deb Hill's avatar

Yep

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Mattlongname's avatar

Every time i see someone "somehow" get into a TV career when others don't, I immediately think CIA or MIC.

You need other people to break through all the people that appear as good as you actually are, and the gatekeepers always seem to have unsavory ties.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

Or Jews, apparently.

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Mike Kroft's avatar

The bowtie is a dead giveaway that Nye is, indeed, not a serious scientist :)

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Indecisive decider's avatar

He's a more retarded version of Tucker. High bar.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Notice how every time a narrative begins collapsing, philanthropath* Bill Gates pivots to a limited hangout, acting like the catastrophizing is over-the-top when he is the one who funded the hysteria to begin with.

Case in point: In 2022, Gates suddenly says COVID is "kind of like the flu," which is what scientists and doctors of integrity had been saying from the outset of that psyop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU8yLX2q7Ew

*See Anatomy of a Philanthropath, Part 1: https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-philanthropath-dreams

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JD865's avatar

Love the term philanthropath. Will check out your piece.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Thank you, JD865! I coined it in that 2022 series and was thrilled to see it go viral almost instantly, which was my stated wish when I introduced it in my Corona Investigative Committee presentation. It gives me so much satisfaction to see it being lobbed at Gates and his fellow philanthropaths on a daily basis :-)

Here are the links to the full series along with a video Visceral Adventure produced of my "Anatomy of a Philanthropath" poem:

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-philanthropath-dreams

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-philanthropath-dreams-947

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-philanthropath-dreams-3fd

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-philanthropath-video

This is the CIC presentation where I introduced it:

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/my-corona-investigative-committee

• Notes: https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/a-mostly-peaceful-depopulation

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Just read your writing. Ive coming on board that train! Excellent.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Haha, thank you so much, Glitterpuppy! Welcome aboard 😁

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rtj's avatar

"The Microsoft titan will go down in history as God’s own proof that no amount of money can buy likeability"

I think at least Zuck gives him a good run for the money.

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Mr. Bob's avatar

Compared to other technocrats, Zuck is less of a lizard person and more of a robot, IMO.

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Nathan Woodard's avatar

hey man…give him a break! im sure he puts his pants on one tentacle at a time, just like the rest of us. 🙂

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reality speaks's avatar

Gates and Zuckerberg are both pricks

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

They are certainly “ head to head” in the bigger prick race.

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

And do they spend their taxless mega dollars for doing good or getting off.

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Harvey's avatar

All billionaires are pricks.

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Nathan Woodard's avatar

some are not. but you never hear from them for precisely that reason. :)

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JD865's avatar

Suck has no soul.

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Tim's avatar

Time traveling AI deepfake?

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rtj's avatar

I hate myself for thinking that he should look like a pathetic cringe midlife crisis case with the new glasses and hair. But i actually think he looks pretty good.

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Bizarro Man's avatar

The scales show through in the right light, though.

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Dawn's avatar

His soul is black, a destroyer, I can’t look at him without that thought in mind.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

He looks like my high school principal..

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Patrick's avatar

Thats two demerits for you, mister!

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

I had it coming

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TWC's avatar

Let's not neglect Ellison

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publius_x's avatar

Or Bezos

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rtj's avatar

Good call.

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rtj's avatar

I don't really know much about him, except that his spawn owns CBS now?

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TWC's avatar

Larry was in a lot of ways the first oligarch out of SV

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Harland's avatar

Is there a single non-deranged, non-antisemitic comment in this entire thread?

I haven't seen one yet!

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BookWench's avatar

Why are you so obsessed with "antisemitism"?

Nobody in this thread has posted anything "antisemitic" at all.

I have no idea what you're referring to -- unless you're implying that any criticism of any Jewish person is somehow "antisemitic."

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Art's avatar

Zuck doesn’t count since he’s a lizard. But he does get the prize for most unlikable reptile.

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Madjack's avatar

AI needs vast amount of energy, therefore climate “change” is no longer such a big deal.

There seems to be a constant need to try and terrify the public. I guess it gets eyeballs or clicks.

Our institutions have lost all credibility.

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Enticing Clay's avatar

Bingo.

The need for a chatbot economy has made climate change inconvenient.

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Matt L.'s avatar

My Centrus stock (LEU) is up 400% this year. Only US company makin’ yellow cake. Wish I had bought more. Now when to get out….

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Dan's avatar

I am worried that if I even type the words yellow cake some ‘no nukes’ nut will come knocking…or perhaps the ghost of Sadam Huessin will show up on Halloween.

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Harland's avatar

At last! A stock-pumping spammer is a genuine relief after all the Nazi comments.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Well… all you have done is call bullshit on Bill Gates denialism, confirming that he is only a cynic who is switching gears for profit. How does this impugn any “institution”?

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

It points to the possibility that the whole climate controversy is possibly profit driven.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Huh. That is an interesting possibility, just as UFOs are an interesting possibility.

Is there more profit in oil, the substance we all use a million times a day, or fighting against oil?

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Bill Jarett's avatar

More profit in selling less oil at a higher price. Ever heard of "artificial scarcity"?

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Madjack's avatar

Good point. After continual and abundant lying and corruption(that I am sure you are aware of) we have very few places to turn to get unvarnished truth from our Government or media.

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Joanna Hamilton's avatar

C.S. Lewis has a good passage in Mere Christianity about people who were always let down when things turned out not to be as bad as initially thought.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

And just what did the billionaire non-scientist say exactly that gives you such high hopes… besides switching his position from concern to “keep cam and carry on”? I’d like to know since the part of the country I live in has been tangibly affected by Global Warming for at least five years now.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

You convinced it’s global warming?

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TWC's avatar

How so exactly?

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michael888's avatar

Climate should be viewed in at least 30 year blocks.

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Harland's avatar

Ah yes, C.S. Lewis, who totally wasn't a child molester.

Huge Christian, which makes sense.

Big friend of J.R.R. Tolkien, the Nazi's best recruiter.

Because black-skinned orcs with dreadlocks are born evil! And dwarves totally aren't a stand-in for Jews!

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Frank Lee's avatar

Well hello there Sméagol

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John Wygertz's avatar

Anyone notice that we had zero of the predicted 6 hurricanes this year? The alarmists have been discredited again, what will they choose next? Overpopulation is over, with decreasing birth rates everywhere. The new ice age was over 40 years ago. And now global warming has lost the Gates backing.

I'm sure the panic sellers will come up with something, it's too lucrative a game to abandon.

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Bill Jarett's avatar

You need a crisis to get control over people, that is what it's all about.

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Tim's avatar

Oh, but the recent landfall in Jamaica proves that fewer, more powerful storms result. /s

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John Wygertz's avatar

That may well be true, but which scenario is easier to mitigate? And what about increased ag production and the delayed onset of freezing? Humans are adaptable (so far). The panic over change outrunning our ability to adapt was unnecessary.

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Tim's avatar

Missed the “sarcasm note at the end.

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Jackson74's avatar

“Proves” is not the right word.

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Kurt's avatar

Matt, brilliant job in exposing perhaps the world’s greatest grifter, reversing course and calling BS on the bogus scam he pitched for years. Insane!

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Going by only what Matt himself wrote, Gates did nothing of the sort. What are you talking about? What quotes did Matt submit from Gates that say anything more than (essentially) “the human species is not in immediate danger of going extinct”?

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Kurt's avatar

Gates said the opposite for at least a decade, when it suited his financial interests. He also made hundreds of millions in the vaccine industry because people were coerced into taking the Covid vaccine among others. For a numbering years he was the world’s foremost monopolist. What he learned was, not to compete with a better product, but go into markets where customers are compelled to buy.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

It doesn’t really matter what he personally thinks, if it is different today than yesterday. He is not a scientist. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

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Scramblinman's avatar

Can we please start dismantling the raptor-shredding windmills? Where’s the Audubon Society when we need them most?

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

Yes! As a former member of Audubon, so obvious that windmills and solar farms were accepted without any research of impact on bird populations. But we were invited to receive Anti-racism publications, free of charge.

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S.H. Jacobs's avatar

I remember the information on effects on bird population w windmills coming out at the same time they started going up. It's just...people didn't care. They were saving us from climate disaster.

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

You are exactly right.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Just as you don’t care about the coral reefs or those small nations that “optimist” Bill Gates has written off.

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Bill Jarett's avatar

Coral reefs are net increasing.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

So the reason that everyone is worried that they are dying is, yet again, fake news, nothing to see here, just another scientist trying to con you?

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Bill Jarett's avatar

From what I have skimmed of the subject the reefs are dying in some places, net increasing over all. I admit I could be easily wrong, not having spent much time on the issue.

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S.H. Jacobs's avatar

Interesting to assume I don't care, when I cared enough to learn about it early on, and knew many engineers looking at climate issues, including ocean acidification leading to coral reef bleaching, and ways to address it. I hope that you are working on these issues.

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

I care about coral reefs, and I am as land-bound as one can be. It’s not about what you care about. It’s, what can we believe?

Water is life. The Blue Planet. Do we still care about the huge plastic refuse dump floating in the Pacific? Is that real? How about the Fukushima nuclear discharge caused by the tsunami? Anything to worry about?

I don’t know if it was this comment section or someplace else. Are these “environmentalists” building their own little power plants without impact statements upon our water resources? Ain’t money grand.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

I have absolutely no idea what you mean. Yes, you should be concerned with everything you mentioned. What "environmentalists" are you talking about?

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

B.I.L.L.G.A.T.E.S. The guy the story was about. Vaccine. Epstein. Hmm. A lot in common, only phonetically, of course.

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Enticing Clay's avatar

I eat birds. The decision to trade energy for birds was made a long time ago. And it was delicious.

If we can get electricity from birds, then that is just pure genius.

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

I don’t remember the Birds For Energy movement. You should document that. I do remember the Birds For Ladies Hats movement. Ladies, do better.

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michael888's avatar

Chickens? The FDA once told me they were responsible for 4 billion chickens.

Guano (bats and birds) was a huge fertilizer advance in agriculture. Some make the case that guano was instrumental in creating US Empire.

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rtj's avatar

I think they were shitlisted for awhile (if not still) because they were opposed to excessive immigration.

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rtj's avatar

Now that i think of it, it was the Sierra Club, not Audobon.

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

Yes, it was the Sierra Club, another group we to which we formerly belonged. I remember SClubbers were rallying with other groups for income equality, according to its newsletter. It also offered “Resist” gear for renewing our membership in 2017. We actually got a phone call encouraging us to re-renew. I said SC had turned into something besides an environmental group so, no thanks.

We also used to belong to the Natural Resources Defense Council, of which RFKJr is a former board member, or something. I remember reading in its newsletter that Navy sonar was killing dolphins. That’s bad. But when dead whales started washing up because of off-shore wind farm sonar mapping? Crickets. Sonar deaths for thee, but not for me.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

Nice. Who cares what "we" used to belong to?

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Bill Befort's avatar

The Audubon Society's problems arose out of Audubon's having owned slaves. Some parts of the society dropped the name.

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

The Audubon’s Society problems arose because their national board of directors, the moneyed and connected crowd, went full-blown woke virtue signaling.

Around 2019 when I was still a member, I opened my email from Nat Aud recommending that I read “How To Be An Antiracist.” In fact , I would be sent a copy free of charge upon request! There was also a letter from the Aud president that “silence is violence . . .”

Later, the president was dumped because staffers were angry and needed to unionize. Then birds were named after colonizers and Audubon had a slave. Is that true.

Meanwhile, habitat is disappearing and birds flying into skyscraper windows is a thing, not to mention light pollution. But oh yeah Audubon, focus on a century ago. And your wealthy snobs running your organization.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

So because you shifted, it's supposed to mean something?

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

nice (if not still) which completely negates the point you're making. Nice cover.

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DMC's avatar

on Bill's payroll. Where did you think they were?

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A.'s avatar

Agreed!

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Emmanuel Goldstein's avatar

The Earth has warmed and cooled periodically for a long time. The current warming trend is right on schedule and of about the expected magnitude. If I remember correctly, the trend ought to last a little less than another century before things start to cool again. However, we are in a long-term cooling trend, as each warm period (each roughly every one thousand years) is a little cooler than the previous one. As are the cold periods roughly half way between them. And that is much more likely to cause trouble.

Most life on Earth has thrived during the warm periods and struggled during the cold ones. This warm period has been no exception, and has seen the largest leap forward in human prosperity in recorded history.

The science here has always been dodgy and heavily politicized. From the very start, the "solution" to the problem that the infallible international organizations demanded was for Europe and the US to move their industrial base to China, where of course there are no pollution controls whatsoever. This makes no sense from a scientific standpoint, as there's no rational reason to believe that pollution generated in China would be benign while the same (or less, actually) pollution generated in the West would be catastrophic.

And does anyone remember the "Climategate" leaks from the Climate Unit and West Anglia University in the UK, which was the premier climate research lab? Or have they been so thoroughly memory holed that they're no longer in the record? These leaks showed how the data were being cooked to generate the famous "hockey stick" graph, and even included the computer code that was used to do it. (TLDR: the code produces the hockey stick regardless of what input data is fed to it). And also showed how the institutions of science (the same ones that worked so hard to cover up the scientist-made nature of Covid) silenced all critics. e.g. by having the journals refuse to accept any paper that criticized the narrative. It's not hard to generate "consensus" when you control who is allowed to speak.

So in my book, the only thing we have to fear from climate change is the self-destructive measures that we are being coerced into adopting. And hopefully we'll stop doing that.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Matt points out that dissension to the (oxymoronic) "scientific consensus" has been algorithmically and politically suppressed. There are plenty of scientists who don't buy into the anthropogenic global warming catastrophe.

It's all based on modeling, and you can make a model show whatever you want.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Phew! I thought the disappearance of my region’s famously snowy winters was all due to Climate Change. Thank God I am only imagining it!

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Pat Robinson's avatar

Data shows that snow cover worldwide is not decreasing.

It just shifts around like it always has.

Some glaciers in Europe are melting, this is true, but sadly they are exposing villages and forests that existed during the medieval warm period when it was much warmer than now.

Same with fossilized trees in the canadian arctic hundreds of km north of the current permafrost line.

You’re allowed to not know anything, we just don’t want you and the rest of the insane to destroy civilization.

If you really believe carbon is an issue then please remove yours.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Brother, you are not any kind of scientist. You don’t know anything about the ancient climate that someone smarter than you (or I) didn’t tell you.

But if you believe *those* scientists who never *lived* 10,000, 100,000 years ago, why would you then ignore the scientists of Right Now who are telling you that what is happening to our climate is man-made and disastrous?

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Emmanuel Goldstein's avatar

There are plenty of scientists who don't believe that the current changes in climate are either man-made or disastrous. And it's hard to tell how many actually do believe in the catastrophism given how politicized the field has become. It's difficult to hold onto your job if you don't pledge undying support to the religion. (And that's kind of the opposite of science). Plus, the field has attracted so many activists for so long that it's hard to say how many "climate scientists" are even legitimately scientists. (And this is a problem that has affected other branches of science as well).

In any event, the alarmists have not actually put forth any compelling evidence to support their theories. It's mostly just computer models (which simply parrot back the assumptions programmed into them, and which fail miserably when run backwards in time), and (unsupported) revisions to the generally accepted historical record that make the current temperatures appear to be unusual. They also struggle to explain why variations in the concentration of carbon dioxide, which has historically been assumed to contribute only a few percent to the greenhouse effect, would have such an outsized impact. The models have also made a series of very bold predictions, with specific dates attached, about our impending doom, none of which have come to pass. But they just memory-hole those failed predictions and come up with a new set of even more alarming ones.

The alarmists also generally take the Little Ice Age as the baseline "normal" temperature, which is highly misleading. Of course things warmed up (and improved dramatically) as we emerged from that unusually cold period. But we're still much colder than we were a thousand years ago. Greenland is called that because it was verdant during the Medieval Warm Period, and now it's a huge ice cube. Grapes grew in Scotland, while now they're confined to the Mediterranean area. And so on. While we didn't have reliable thermometers back then, there is plenty of well-documented historical record and proxy data that show our somewhat-recent past to have been quite warm. And the Roman Maximum was warmer still.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Unless the scientific consensus no longer charts an ongoing increase in global temperature (with no end in sight) that corresponds exactly to the beginning of the era where man started heavily polluting the atmosphere, everything you just pointed out is null and void.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

PLENTY of scientists? No.

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Pat Robinson's avatar

The majority of scientists don't agree there is a disaster, they might think there will be some issues, the problem is that the climate/insane, your people, have taken over the journals and all the other outlets and gatekeep what gets published. And they are nasty like you, go review the comments of creatures like Mann and Dessler. Awful people.

You'll be fine unless you kill yourself.

If you decide the climate is too much to bear, move to Canada, our wondrous govt has put in place the mechanisms to help you end it all, now extending to the depressed and insane.

Fill your boots.

Progressives are such wonderful people.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

“The majority of scientists don't agree there is a disaster, they might think there will be some issues, the problem is that the climate/insane, your people, have taken over the journals and all the other outlets and gatekeep what gets published. “

I have not polled the world’s scientists, but the fact that all the governments of the world, including many that are adversaries, concur that Climate Change is an unfolding threat is all the evidence you should need.

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Working Class Soldier's avatar

I keep hearing "data shows" when I see no actual data that shows it.

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Pat Robinson's avatar

You can search it out.

There are groups that track snow cover year by year just as others track hurricane energy, etc.

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Bill Jarett's avatar

The climate changes, its a natural phenomena.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Forest fires are natural phenomenon. Therefor, no human has ever set a forest on fire… and with it his house?

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Pat Robinson's avatar

Forest fires are natural

Without them the forest dies.

Forests grow and expand in warm wet periods then burn back and rejuvenate in dry periods, like in our canadian northwest for a few years.

But I’m not worried because I know it will shift back to wet growth like it always does.

Take it to the bank.

Then you can move on to your next insanity.

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michael888's avatar

California made the decision long ago to cut forestry and forest fire containment strategies. Go "natural". Saved a lot of money briefly.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

You aren’t worried because you think this discussion is about swamps and forests.

Brother, no one is saying that THEY won’t hang on. The question, brother, is what your air conditioning bill will be like in 25 years.

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Marie's avatar

So which is it:

1. Weather is not climate

2. Weather is climate

Pick one.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

My dear, I know you have probably listened to a lot of right wing radio that has convinced you that this is some sort of “gotcha”, but if you have a better explanation than human-caused Climate Change for the disappearance of the Colorado River, the increase in droughts and my own region’s warming temperatures, all coincidentally what scientists have been predicting for generations, I’m all ears.

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Emmanuel Goldstein's avatar

Regarding the Colorado River, the traditional explanation has been that because of the massive population growth in the Southwest over the last half century plus, we're been pretty much pumping all of the water out of it. And Mexico has been rather annoyed at us about this for a long time.

Regarding your region's warming, we don't have all that much to go on, as you haven't identified it. But I wonder why you put the "human-caused" qualifier on the climate change. Would natural climate change produce fewer droughts and less warming than manmade change? And given that according to the established schedule for these things, we should expect a naturally-occurring warm period right around now, why is it more rational to chalk the warming up to human activity instead?

And you say that "scientists" have been predicting this for generations. Until the late 1980's, the "scientists" were predicting that industrial pollution was leading us into an imminent ice age. (Temperatures had been falling for a while at the time). So I don't think this has been a multiple-generation thing. They even had to do a rebrand away from Global Warming to Climate Change to account for the fact that observed warming has slowed dramatically notwithstanding large increases in emissions. (Although I do concede that the increases all happened in China, which apparently means that they should have no impact on the environment).

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

“Regarding the Colorado River, the traditional explanation has been that because of the massive population growth in the Southwest over the last half century plus, we're been pretty much pumping all of the water out of it.”

You don’t pump water out of a river in that way, sir. It’s not a lake or a reservoir. A river’s volume is determined by the flow of water from it’s various naturally generated sources. Ice melt and rain are the chief contributors. If the river is being depleted it is because there is less snow to feed it, because of Global Warming.

“But I wonder why you put the "human-caused" qualifier on the climate change. “

Because many people don’t know what “anthropomorphic” means.

“Would natural climate change produce fewer droughts and less warming than manmade change?”

The point is that we are responsible for the pollution that has lead to this crisis, not Mother Nature. Therefor, the sin is upon us if we do not correct it.

“And given that according to the established schedule for these things, we should expect a naturally-occurring warm period right around now, why is it more rational to chalk the warming up to human activity instead?”

A lot of people who are not scientists and have no respect for facts like to throw out this “ cyclical warming” canard as if they actually understand the science enough to justify it, but then also conveniently ignore the overwhelming scientific consensus that says that it is human pollution that is causing this alarming heat, not some sort of cycle.

“And you say that "scientists" have been predicting this for generations. Until the late 1980's, the "scientists" were predicting that industrial pollution was leading us into an imminent ice age.”

Really? Where is your evidence for that? (Oh… I know that there is a single issue of Newsweek from 1975 that you are probably already Googling… save your energy.)

Again: You agree with “science” when it suits you, dismiss it when it doesn’t. Meanwhile, every government on the planet already agrees that Global Warming is occurring and that humanity is responsible.

“They even had to do a rebrand away from Global Warming to Climate Change…”

This was done because Fox News nitwits simply couldn’t process that a heating planet could still produce snow in December.

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Tim's avatar

Wait til the full reports of the funding sources of these “climate disaster” groups is revealed. Follow the money…

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Marie's avatar

I read the East Anglia code. It was a regurgitated dog’s breakfast. That was when I knew for certain the whole thing was a grift.

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BookWench's avatar

I remember those "Climategate" leaks.

Dropped out of the news pretty rapidly, as I recall.

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Mark Engemann's avatar

I love the idea of Sanity coming back into the world.

The only way to keep this going is freedom of speech and un-biased reporting from national media.

Both are not a given in this day and age, but I am beginning to feel more optimistic.

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Neo's avatar

There still are plenty of doomsday scenarios. I like the giant asteroid one, fairly painless.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

I was kinda hoping for an invasion of the space aliens. War of the Worlds type of ending

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Mr. Bob's avatar

It's a death cult. The world as we know it is irredeemably corrupt and HAS to end. History is inexorably moving toward a certain point, and only an infidel would attempt to prevent the inevitable. That's the eschatology.

Telling them that global warming might be fixable is like telling Rapture wackos that we should try to make peace in the Middle East. We can't, because that would prevent the arrival of Jesus. Or in the case of climate wackos, probably Real Communism™.

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Phuckthephacts's avatar

This is an underrated comment, meta but in a useful way. Thank you.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

That Global Warming is “fixable” has never been in doubt, sir. That we will choose the hard path of fixing it is what remains in doubt. Bill Gates is an elderly billionaire, not a scientist. He will not live to see the shit really hit the fan. The idea that the world will merely self-green itself to a solution is not supported by any science (which is why Matt didn’t bother to quote any climate scientists).

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Mark1's avatar

I seriously doubt, whatever your age, that you will live to see “the shit really hit the fan” either, even though you’ve apparently seen “proof” where you live. Please consider the possibility that you’ve been Bull Shitted. I hail from the 70’s and was BS’d by “Limits to Growth”. By now, we were supposed to be out of almost all resources (especially oil). Simply didn’t happen.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

No sir, we have all “seen” the proof for years, in news reports about heatwaves, droughts and disappearing ice, as well as international conferences held at the highest level. Now we are *experiencing* the proof. You can feel it… I know you can. There is a hard ceiling on denying what your skin is telling you.

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Bill Jarett's avatar

Read history, watch old news reels. Natural disasters were far more common and far deadlier in the past

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Ate Oh Tu's avatar

Here in Vermont we have had three major floods three years in a row on exactly the same day in July. Then this fall, the northeast has experienced the worst drought in 75 years. I’ve lived here my whole life. We don’t get nearly the snow accumulation in winter that we used to even 25 years ago. It’s getting weird, that’s all I know

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Mark1's avatar

“…worst drought in 75 years…” That ought to tell you something. These climate cycles are longer than our short lifetimes. I’ve got trees on my property that are pushing a thousand years old. Looking at the growth rings gives me a better perspective of climate variability.

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BookWench's avatar

The climate has always changed.

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Ate Oh Tu's avatar

Whelp, you got me there! I can’t prove that 8 billion humans burning 1.49 trillion gallons of oil each year (just asked my search bot) are having an effect on the climate. I’m not a scientist, sorry

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Dale Hinnsworth's avatar

Fear not! Within six months, we will be told that only right wing extremists were championing climate extremism.

“Didn’t you know that guys? We are the party of innovation! Sure, the power needed for AI surveillance is massive, but you’ve got to break a few eggs to make an omelette!”

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John Wygertz's avatar

Disinformation is the new existential threat. Didn't you get the memo?

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