OMG, does Walter REALLY not know why Epstein was collecting sexual blackmail on all these influential individuals??? He doesn't know WHO groomed Epstein from very early on in his adult life to be the point man on this massive control operation??? Jeebus, pay attention. Read Whitney Webb's work. Dammit, man. It's not complicated; it's just deeply unpleasant. I bet Walt thinks Oswald was an unstable fanatic who Acted Alone, and whom Jack Ruby killed and conveniently silenced in a fit of pure patriotic fervor, too....
A pair of British ‘historians’ straight-facedly claimed that Jack Ruby’s motivation was to “spare Jacqueline Kennedy the grief of reliving the tragedy, during the trial”. He cared that much about her feelings, you see.
In fact, it’s not really necessary to know anything about the murder. It’s enough to peruse the absurd claims of the conspiracy deniers, Michael Schermer high on that list, to find the truth between the cracks.
Webb has no real facts it's all about so and so was seen with Epstein at a party. So what? Proves nothing although I do think the info should be released.
well, not true, actually ... hasn't been very long since I read my copies of both volumes of One Nation Under Blackmail -- she makes a pretty strong case for what Leslie Wexner, Robert Maxwell and his daughter, Jeffrey Epstein and others have been doing since the end of WWII, and for what entities and organizations they definitely seem to have been working....
Walter is not being clear. Is he saying that Trump is blackmailing politicians with the information in the files? I don’t buy it. The DOJ look like idiots.
Next time I see someone still wearing a MAGA hat, in my mind they're going to morph into a human-sized sucker like in old cartoons.
Granted, my mind has always kind of done that, and with adherents of either party. Maybe one day the MAGAs will learn Donald Trump doesn't care about them and never has, but if they're still with him after this betrayal, I don't think so.
Walter sounded wacky here; even Matt could barely disguise his puzzlement at Walter seemingly treating the about-face on the Epstein files as a nothingburger.
Walter cracks me up and I do enjoy him sometimes but here, he seems unwilling to entertain Trump being anything but a political mastermind.
Yep, well said. To be fair, there are some more actually independent voices out there. It's just that for whatever reason MT decided to attach himself to a ridiculously neo-partisan (~=maga) co-host 🤷♂️. Genuinely not sure why - best guess is that they both start from the "contrarian" / "destroy the status quo" point.
I enjoy most of Walter's takes, I enjoy almost all of Matt's takes, and this is my favorite podcast. All the 'takes', good or bad, are usefull to me. I couldn't imagine taking the time to listen to a podcast who's 'takes' I find useless, or commenting on it.
Oh god, that was pathetic. If you’re going to troll, then TROLL, don’t be some half-assed “I’m just trolling ‘cause I’m bored” self-promoter. Is this Reddit?
I never looked under your bridge, you came to me. But now I understand, you're just promoting your show. So yes, pathetic, and kinda gross, and a bit embarrassing for me too by engaging when I should've know better. Good luck with your show.
"say, a lot of these people were being blackmailed (by Trump not releasing the evidence against them) to obtain their co-operation in their crimes related to the world wide pandemic would you rather have them prosecuted for statutory rape?"
Why are these mutually exclusive?
How safe is a prosecution of someone blackmailed in into incriminating themselves or others?
What on earth is Walter talking about? He sounds like he is clutching at straws to somehow exonerate Trump here.
Walter's ridiculous spin for the Trump admin made even Matt physically cringe in this episode. Amazing. But hey, at least he can admit that it "looks bad" while he fantasizes about unsubstantiated speculative theories where this is all being done for the good of our society by the all-loving and all-caring Trump administration.
My favorite part was when Matt said about the Trump administration's handling of the Epstein matter "It's embarrasing, isn't it?"
In response, Walter "Piss on me and tell me it's raining, but for a good cause!" Kirn's face contorted into five different shapes in five seconds before he tried to utter out "I dunno" while shaking his head no. He wasn't even willing to admit that it looked bad before Matt beat the concept into him for 10 minutes straight. Absolutely astounding.
Just an utter and complete whore for the Trump admin. A faux-Gypsy whore.
I find Walter amusing to listen to. He’s especially good at discussing tech and futurism. But he’s not nearly as deep a thinker as he imagines he is, and let’s face it, he can be quite vain.
The current administration has given him access and likely has blown some smoke you know where, and so when it comes to MAGA Walter is basically paralyzed. He doesn’t want to lose his good standing. So all the complex and conspiratorial thinking he is known for goes out the window, and it’s basically “we shouldn’t speculate as to motive because people have gotten things wrong before”. Like what? All you do is speculate on things we don’t know for sure pretty much every show. Sometimes with wild, off-the-wall theories. But with this issue we should withhold speculation?
I feel like Walter is intentionally lying to us right now... curious to see who is taking the administration's side on this and who is calling it out and why. Some people got "The Call" to shut this down but they've no idea how emblematic this case was to the process of transparency. At this point, a million man march on the DoJ and National Archives and all the records seized by the People for distribution is in order. Non-violent of course...
You may not like the Digital Service Act, but watching this on YT ad-free is rather nice right now. The removal of pop-up ads is gloriously refreshing.
I am with Walter on this one. My reaction to knee jerk is wait and see. Of course we don't fit in a world where everyone already knows everything about everything.
Matt and Walter, I may not agree with you on everything but I perceive you to be two of the funniest humans on earth. In the famed nightclubs of Alpha Centauri you might have some trouble standing out, but in this lonely backwater, you rule.
Normalizing violent interactions, being encouraged not by voters, but by their media and communications professionals. Same principle as “wear red” to control attention.
OMG, does Walter REALLY not know why Epstein was collecting sexual blackmail on all these influential individuals??? He doesn't know WHO groomed Epstein from very early on in his adult life to be the point man on this massive control operation??? Jeebus, pay attention. Read Whitney Webb's work. Dammit, man. It's not complicated; it's just deeply unpleasant. I bet Walt thinks Oswald was an unstable fanatic who Acted Alone, and whom Jack Ruby killed and conveniently silenced in a fit of pure patriotic fervor, too....
Walter Kirn publicly smeared Whitney Webb and her work, calling her a "black pill artist" and then blocking anybody who disagreed.
Walter is a Fox News retard who has skin thinner than his own alleged "Gypsy" ancestry.
A pair of British ‘historians’ straight-facedly claimed that Jack Ruby’s motivation was to “spare Jacqueline Kennedy the grief of reliving the tragedy, during the trial”. He cared that much about her feelings, you see.
In fact, it’s not really necessary to know anything about the murder. It’s enough to peruse the absurd claims of the conspiracy deniers, Michael Schermer high on that list, to find the truth between the cracks.
Webb has no real facts it's all about so and so was seen with Epstein at a party. So what? Proves nothing although I do think the info should be released.
well, not true, actually ... hasn't been very long since I read my copies of both volumes of One Nation Under Blackmail -- she makes a pretty strong case for what Leslie Wexner, Robert Maxwell and his daughter, Jeffrey Epstein and others have been doing since the end of WWII, and for what entities and organizations they definitely seem to have been working....
It is funny how Walter's megabrain takes just always happen to align with the most vanilla MAGA instinct of defending Trump.
I figured out the perfect analogy. Walter Kirn is to politics what Jordan Peterson is to Christianity.
Walter is not being clear. Is he saying that Trump is blackmailing politicians with the information in the files? I don’t buy it. The DOJ look like idiots.
Next time I see someone still wearing a MAGA hat, in my mind they're going to morph into a human-sized sucker like in old cartoons.
Granted, my mind has always kind of done that, and with adherents of either party. Maybe one day the MAGAs will learn Donald Trump doesn't care about them and never has, but if they're still with him after this betrayal, I don't think so.
Walter sounded wacky here; even Matt could barely disguise his puzzlement at Walter seemingly treating the about-face on the Epstein files as a nothingburger.
Walter cracks me up and I do enjoy him sometimes but here, he seems unwilling to entertain Trump being anything but a political mastermind.
The whole point of the alt media was to escape partisan brain rot. Something has to be done to prevent this process.
Walter is clearly not free to
consider all possibilities.
Why because you don't agree with him?
Yep, well said. To be fair, there are some more actually independent voices out there. It's just that for whatever reason MT decided to attach himself to a ridiculously neo-partisan (~=maga) co-host 🤷♂️. Genuinely not sure why - best guess is that they both start from the "contrarian" / "destroy the status quo" point.
Walter’s take on the Epstein List is mind-blowingly bad. Wow.
lol, I didn't realize we were in a time crunch!
I enjoy most of Walter's takes, I enjoy almost all of Matt's takes, and this is my favorite podcast. All the 'takes', good or bad, are usefull to me. I couldn't imagine taking the time to listen to a podcast who's 'takes' I find useless, or commenting on it.
Oh god, that was pathetic. If you’re going to troll, then TROLL, don’t be some half-assed “I’m just trolling ‘cause I’m bored” self-promoter. Is this Reddit?
I never looked under your bridge, you came to me. But now I understand, you're just promoting your show. So yes, pathetic, and kinda gross, and a bit embarrassing for me too by engaging when I should've know better. Good luck with your show.
"say, a lot of these people were being blackmailed (by Trump not releasing the evidence against them) to obtain their co-operation in their crimes related to the world wide pandemic would you rather have them prosecuted for statutory rape?"
Why are these mutually exclusive?
How safe is a prosecution of someone blackmailed in into incriminating themselves or others?
What on earth is Walter talking about? He sounds like he is clutching at straws to somehow exonerate Trump here.
Walter's ridiculous spin for the Trump admin made even Matt physically cringe in this episode. Amazing. But hey, at least he can admit that it "looks bad" while he fantasizes about unsubstantiated speculative theories where this is all being done for the good of our society by the all-loving and all-caring Trump administration.
My favorite part was when Matt said about the Trump administration's handling of the Epstein matter "It's embarrasing, isn't it?"
In response, Walter "Piss on me and tell me it's raining, but for a good cause!" Kirn's face contorted into five different shapes in five seconds before he tried to utter out "I dunno" while shaking his head no. He wasn't even willing to admit that it looked bad before Matt beat the concept into him for 10 minutes straight. Absolutely astounding.
Just an utter and complete whore for the Trump admin. A faux-Gypsy whore.
I find Walter amusing to listen to. He’s especially good at discussing tech and futurism. But he’s not nearly as deep a thinker as he imagines he is, and let’s face it, he can be quite vain.
The current administration has given him access and likely has blown some smoke you know where, and so when it comes to MAGA Walter is basically paralyzed. He doesn’t want to lose his good standing. So all the complex and conspiratorial thinking he is known for goes out the window, and it’s basically “we shouldn’t speculate as to motive because people have gotten things wrong before”. Like what? All you do is speculate on things we don’t know for sure pretty much every show. Sometimes with wild, off-the-wall theories. But with this issue we should withhold speculation?
I love you guys! Keep on rocking !
I feel like Walter is intentionally lying to us right now... curious to see who is taking the administration's side on this and who is calling it out and why. Some people got "The Call" to shut this down but they've no idea how emblematic this case was to the process of transparency. At this point, a million man march on the DoJ and National Archives and all the records seized by the People for distribution is in order. Non-violent of course...
Unfortunate phrasing, Walter. Lol.
@5min regarding Epstein thing: "I've followed it louder, longer, and harder than almost anyone else alive."
You may not like the Digital Service Act, but watching this on YT ad-free is rather nice right now. The removal of pop-up ads is gloriously refreshing.
I am with Walter on this one. My reaction to knee jerk is wait and see. Of course we don't fit in a world where everyone already knows everything about everything.
Wait and see is the knee-jerk position here.
"Trust the plan!"
Trump ran on transparency FFS. He literally said we would know everything.
Says "Nowhere Man"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiTwf45cH6M&t=63
Matt and Walter, I may not agree with you on everything but I perceive you to be two of the funniest humans on earth. In the famed nightclubs of Alpha Centauri you might have some trouble standing out, but in this lonely backwater, you rule.
Normalizing violent interactions, being encouraged not by voters, but by their media and communications professionals. Same principle as “wear red” to control attention.
Walter defending the Trump administration is ridiculous. You are both supposed to be journalists.